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KosherOnly
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Hello fellow coconuts! I would like to start off by saying I am so glad I found this community. I look forward to sharing and gaining knowledge and expertise with the coco medium. This is a little introduction of my plans and where I want to be with this journal. This is also my first journal ever so forgive me if its hard to follow. Enjoy and I'm glad you're here!

To start things off, this will be my second run with coco. In my previous grow, I jumped in coco without doing too much research. I started with Botanicare's bagged coco with perlite. Using 6 inch FloraFlex pots, I filled them up and used my tap to wash out all the salts until I got 0 EC. I thought cool, this should be ready to go. What I forgot to do was buffer the coco so the CEC would be fulfilled. This caused a lot of problems in the beginning that threw me off a bit. Eventually as time went on the coco sort of balanced it self sort to speak but the damage was already done as the foundation in veg wasn't the strongest. That was a big learning experience and I'm looking to use that information to perfect my next coco go!

At this very moment I am still getting some logistics done. I plan to start this run within the next couple of weeks.

Here is a rundown of my specs for this run

Medium: Aurora Innovations 5KG compressed Coco fiber - Will probably go with 100% coco

Pots: Plan to start in 6 inch floraflex pots and then transplant to 10gal fabric pots

Strains: DNA Genetics Kosher Kush, Holy Grail, and Skywalker OG - 2 of each for a total of 6 plants

Lights:  1000w DE Gavita - Veg I plan to go on a 18/6 light cycle 

Supplemental CO2 when time is right and A/C if needed

Nutrition: I plan to customize my nutrition with the use of raw salts. The salts that I have are CaNO3, MgSO4, MKP, ZnSO4, MnSO4, CuSO4, Chelated Iron with a hint of N, Boric acid, Phosphoric acid as Ph down and a boost of P, Potassium Silicate and sodium molybdate. 

I think that covers the specs, If there is anything I missed or something else you would like to know please let me know. 

Now this is the first time I am going to attempt seeds indoor. I usually run clones because there are great strains around but a friend gifted these seeds from Europe and I can't resist. I'm a little nervous sort to say because I have very powerful lights and I really don't know how to start these babies. The issue I foresee is I will need the environment to be around 78-80F and high humidity to have some great transpiration early on. Humidity is no problem but I'm thinking it might be difficult to get that temperature during these cold times. 

For the beginning, I plan to use only one light until the plants grow enough where I would need to start spreading them out and they can handle 4 lights beaming on them. I'm not sure the beginning wattage I will use for the first light, I'm thinking somewhere between 300-500Watts. I'm hoping this will raise the temperature a good amount. I'm also thinking about using a shade cloth which will allow me to have the light at higher wattage while getting good light diffusion going on so the babies won't get fried. I would love some input on this.

When it comes to seedlings and the first couple of days, what kind of EC values are appropriate? The last thing I want to do is mess up these great seeds I got gifted. 

I haven't really read anyone in coco doing 10 gallon pots because coco plants grow so much with so little so I'm excited to see what kind of big trees I can produce and I hope yall can follow along this journey!

Thanks for tuning in for now and I hope to start this new year strong and hope everyone else can too!

 

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Posted : 31/12/2018 4:57 pm Juiceman liked
Dr Coco
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Welcome @GSWcali !

I look forward to your journal and your grow!

If you hurry up, you can still join us for the NYGC! We are starting to germinate tonight, but there is a pretty long Veg period so you could catch up.

@drphoton would surely have some advice for you about your lights! Looks like you have a lot of power to play with!

For my part, I will say that I am not wild about the large containers with 100% coco. The issue is drainage. In such large containers without perlite the media will take a long time to drain and this limits fertigation frequency. You can grow trees in pretty small containers. If you really want to use the big containers I will recommend mixing in a lot of perlite to aid drainage. Conversely, if you want to grow in 100% coco, I would advise very small containers - like 2-gallon! It does depend on your ability to fertigate frequently though, so I'd be happy to discuss your goals further.

Sounds like an interesting style of fertigation and I look forward to following your grow!

Grower Love!

Let's Grow Together
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Posted : 31/12/2018 5:22 pm Juiceman liked
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Chefomj
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Very cool with the nutrition plan. You've peeked my interest in following along. I'd like to know your education in chemistry. Is this the first time trying this? Have you made any progress? Any chance we can see the process? As I said I'm very intrigued. ?

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Posted : 31/12/2018 11:51 pm Juiceman and KosherOnly liked
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Californiakid
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Thats cool stuff right there. I no longer have the mental capacity to work out those linear equations but man that sure was fun watching you spell it out. I love science. ?

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Posted : 01/01/2019 7:58 pm Chefomj and KosherOnly liked
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KosherOnly
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Happy Friday everyone! I'm attempting to germinate a seed from a friends grow but I'm not sure if I'm going to have some success. I've placed it in a shot glass with water for a little over 24 hours and now have it in between two paper plates with moist paper towels. I noticed when I woke up the paper towels were almost fully dried. I re soaked them, could this be a consistent problem that will not allow the seed to germinate? 

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Posted : 04/01/2019 3:54 pm
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KosherOnly
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Hello Friends! Hope everyone and their plantas  are having a great day day! I know I am and that's because my test seed Blueberry Haze has cracked open  ? !!!!! There is a little white nub of a root so I think I'll keep it in the pyrex for another day or so until it's a decent size. Last Thursday is when I placed the seed in a shot glass for 24 hours so in total it's been about 4 days to get a root to show. 

My plan for tomorrow is to get the initial coco ready for this seedling. I will drop the seed in a 6 inch pot so I don't really need a lot. I will hydrate and buffer the coco. Should I buffer the coco with just Calcium and Magnesium or should I buffer with my full nutrient profile? That would be N120 P98 K120 Ca150 Mg30 S40 Si17 +micros. 

Can't wait to get this baby planted!

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Posted : 07/01/2019 5:21 pm Juiceman liked
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KosherOnly
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Good evening fellow Coconuts. I finally got a little process going with my Blueberry Haze test subject.

This is the coco that I have for this run. Very fibrous all throughout. It is somewhat chunky and likes to clump together but the overall consistency seems really good for roots. I can't complain it was only 5 bucks for each 5KG brick  ? 

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Before I started the coco process, I wanted to get my buffering solution somewhat ready. I'm blessed with clean water from the tap, less than 10ppm but it comes out so cold! Around 40F so I have to use a heater to get the water to a warmer temp. Here I got 2 gallons of water for the buffering solution.

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Now that the water is very warm, I'll start the hydration process for the coco while that cools down a bit. I filled a 5gal bucket with some warm water from the shower and sliced a chunk of coco from the brick to get that hydrated. I swirled it around for a couple minutes than let it sit for a good 15ish minutes while I made the buffering solution. This is how it looked in the warm water.

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For my buffering solution, I was aiming for a very high EC. I wanted ~300PPM Calicium and ~200PPM Magnesium. Since I am using Calcium Nitrate and Magnesium Sulfate, I get Nitrogen and Sulfur as well. I know that 1 gram of Calcium Nitrate in 1 gallon of water will give me 50PPM Calcium and 41PPM nitrogen so I need a total of 12.00 grams Calcium Nitrate to achieve my 300 target. I weighed out 12 grams and mixed thoroughly. Having the water around 80F made the dissolving process smooth. Now for the Magnesium Sulfate, 1 gram of this in 1 gallon of water will give me about 26PPM Magnesium and 34 PPM Sulfur so I would need about 16.00 Grams to fulfill my targets. After mixing this into my solution, it now contains ~300PPM Calcium, ~250PPM Nitrogen, ~210PPM Magnesium and ~270PPM Sulfur for a total of 1030PPM or ~2.0EC. 

Once I finished the buffering solution I tied a fine mesh screen over a small trashcan and hosed down the coco I hydrated to get rid of the impurities and get the EC down to close to 0. I then squeezed most of the water out and placed it in my buffering solution which is the next pic.

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I will let this soak up for about 24 hours and then I will plant this happy looking seedling and get things started! Thanks for taking the time to follow along and I hope to continue the great content! 

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Posted : 10/01/2019 8:26 pm Juiceman, Kushlove and Californiakid liked
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KosherOnly
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Happy Friday all!!! I'm very excited that I got my first seed planted. My buffering solution just finished a 24 hour soak and the coco end result looks fantastic for a medium. My taproot was about an inch long. I added some of this stuff called Great White, a powdered rooting bacteria that is really great to get roots going. First time using this so I'll be the judge of that  ?

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Here is the planted seed. I stuffed some coco in a Flora Flex 6 inch pot and put some powder and planted my seedling about 3/4 inch deep. Let's see how it goes!

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I have it placed about 2-2 and a half feet away a 600w light. I honestly don't know how it's going to grow out. My temps are really low for a seedling about 68-70 but I can't do anything about that  ?. This is a good thing that this is my test seed and I'll assess as time goes on. Hope everyone's grow is going killer! 

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Posted : 11/01/2019 7:36 pm Juiceman liked
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KosherOnly
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Well my faith only goes so far.... I don't think my seedling is going to sprout up  ? 

It has been almost 48 hours under 18/6 lighting and still no sprout. I went to look for it a little while ago and the root hasn't really grown. I think the Great White powder product is blocking the root from any growth is it turned into a pasty consistency as I add water to my container. Could this be a possibility? The root is still white the bottom is grey surrounded by the powdered/pasty rooting powder. Should I continue with this one? This was my test subject and now I'm thinking when I start more seeds, I will start in something smaller than the 6inch pot. 

My environment has been good to me. Temps are around 75-78 and humidity is 70-80%. The coco does get dry sort of quickly and maybe this is a reason for the sprout not coming up. I'm afraid I'm going to put too much water and it messes with the seedling. I had to apply water 3 times during the last light cycle and it was about 500-700ml each time. Did I mess with the coco's CEC by applying all this water? 

Overall I am happy with how my environment is and I think once I get a sprout I can have some good vegetative growth. I wish I had more to share. Thanks for reading  ? 

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Posted : 14/01/2019 11:16 am
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KosherOnly
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 What's up fellow coconuts! Wow these seeds popped real quick! I placed 2 of Kosher Kush, Holy Grail Kush and Skywalker Kush into a glass of water on Thursday for about 24 hours. I then placed them into a pyrex container and within 12 hours, every seed except 1 holy grail popped and a little root appeared. Today all of them are around a half inch long! 

I have 6 jiffy pellets getting soaked right now and will place the seeds in there tomorrow and hope for some sprouts! That means I got to get some coco hydrated and buffered soon because I hope the sprouts will be in the jiffy pellet for a few days before transplanting into 6 inch pots. So far so good and Ill get some pictures with the next update! Thanks everyone!

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Posted : 21/01/2019 7:50 pm DrCoco ALT and Kushlove liked
KosherOnly
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 Well I just had the worst luck. Yesterday I placed my seedlings in their jiffy pellets and placed the little tray and cover on top of my fridge to keep them warm and help sprout. As I was cooking breakfast today, my cat jumped on my fridge and knocked over my tray  ? . I had the tray in a little box so that kept things from going everywhere. The peat sort of crumbled and I could see the little seedlings. The good thing is when it tipped over everything was in the clear plastic lid and not all over the floor. So I kinda reformed the pellets and re placed the seeds in each one and now I'm hoping for the best! Man I hope this doesn't set them back or mess with their health. They are looking so good! 5/6 I can see their little green leafs starting to break from their shell as I was placing them back in the peat! I now placed the tray securely on the fridge where no cats can get to it. Anyways I hope they sprout real soon and I can get to the fun stuff!

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The same thing sort of thing happen to my white widow, she had a bit of a slower start, but is now on par with the rest.  (No cat just my dumb ass lol)

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Posted : 24/01/2019 10:18 am KosherOnly liked
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KosherOnly
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Thanks for the support guys! I honestly don't know if my seedlings are good or bad at the moment so here are some pictures if anyone can help me out. I just placed the dome in sunlight and wondering if they are ready for a grow light? To me they look kinda bad  😥 and in the pictures you can see all my cat hair in and around the pellets. 

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My main concern is their health at this stage and when should I transplant these into 6 inch coco with indoor lighting.

Thanks all!

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Posted : 25/01/2019 1:28 pm
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Hey @gswcali

I got your message...

Be sure to read my new article! How to grow Cannabis Seedlings in Coco

It deals with exactly the time you are in now and addresses all of your questions.

Including this one... Yes, give them light! "Always on" light from now until the cotyledons open. But probably not the full grow light, CFLs are great for this stage. If the grow light is the only option it will have to be set at a considerable distance. What kind of grow light is it?

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Posted : 25/01/2019 5:39 pm KosherOnly liked
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KosherOnly
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Good morning Coconuts! Yesterday I placed my tray of seedlings under some light. 250watts to be exact. They are about 2 and a half feet away from the light. As I checked them this morning, they seem to be enjoying their new source of sun! It's been about 14-15 hours since lights have been on and in that time the temperature went from 50F and stabilized at 75F. RH has been consistently at 50%, as I just checked them I turned on my humidifier to raise that a bit. Should get to ~70-80%. 

Later today I plan to transfer the seedlings into 16 oz cups. 

I'm wondering if I'm not providing enough lighting or it is too far away from the seedlings. I attached a couple pics and wondering if they are stretching a bit? 

Overall I'm really glad they bounced back and are giving me strong growth!!!

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Happy growing all!

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