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Soil Sheppard
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PTGC Misfits: From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4

Started in an east window with a 45w blurple someone discarded.  Used a 33"x24" coat rack and germinated some of my favorite strains in Canada here late May after my outdoor attempt failed once more..  I had a friend I asked to put some outside somewhere as he does already, but I got watching some grow channels and kept stumbling on Dr. Coco's Par test videos among others, but was inspired to build an array after my P600 had my plants outgrow my 2x3" in two weeks, and after considering building a tent lol, I bought the 4x4.  I went organic omri and expanded from there when the light made plants hungry.  Dr. Coco showed me the Maxsisun MF series and I read the review, mentioning using 2 MF-2000 and 2 MF-1000 in a 4x4.  And I seen both array reviews of TSL2000 and SP3000, and the Physics video with that, and I paired 2 MF-2000 with 2 Viparspectra P600, and I am using the TSL2000 array review as a reference for my Height of 17.5" I assume, so I've gone with 18" to be safe?....  I basically raised them up an inch and a half just like the two other array review results, using his review of the MF-2000's height at the base reference.

Been running it like that now for a week and seems great. I'm into week 5 of flower now and its looking way better than I expected with one Purple Chemdog clone ( the mother plant I gave to my friend to put outside, its huge now... ) and a Trudeau strain from a cup winning grower here in canada I have grown outdoors in the past.  The purple chemdog clone caught up to the trudeau, as its an aggressive squirrly thing, I bent it down and up came each and every shoot matching the other which I broke in half at 4 weeks, taped up fine, and then just kind of mainlined and bent it a couple times and it came up even also, both plants with 15 or so good shoots before I flipped into flower, still with only 2 P600.   I use organic microbe veg soil, 3-7-4 organic veg bloom with 4-4-4 and microbes... I added liquid organic fish and seaweed (for pgr's also) and because im not making compost teas indoors. and I use my homegrown 3yr old aloe barbadensis as fert also etc, has lots of benifets... figure I was ahead of the game at this point but I found Blue Sky Organics Whole Earth lineup, and used number 1 and 4 recently in my grow to help after the final stretch.  number 1 is a group of microbes, humic acid, dolomite, langbrenite *sp, soybean meal, Kelp meal and something else.  number 4 is worm castings and similar amendments to balance that out using small amount this late in flower, but a good amount of the microbes and humic.  It will also boost up my cal mag naturally, and get my microbes going.

My biggest concern right now is the light height at 18" (17.5 is what I guess Dr. Coco would say?)  I don't have a par meter budget after buying this stuff seeing the sales and my beautiful hungry cannabis strains there.  I will upload pics tomorrow or asap and get back here to see if anyone's tried similar with their lights?  basically 300W per side of a 4x4.  pretty standard.  Mines 650 total.  MF-2000 (230w) P-600 (95w)

I got 5 weeks to go I guess, and I documented everything in my book and phone pics, so I will upload a quick progress cap soon. Happy farming guys

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Posted : 10/13/2021 6:30 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

Uploaded 2 of my recent pics, not sure how to make them my profile pics. A quick recap to come

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Posted : 10/13/2021 6:40 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

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Current progress.  Got my final light today, all are at 18".  Again from Dr. Coco's TSL2000 and SP3000 array reviews, and my MF-2000 base height, I estimate he would end up setting the lights at 17.5".  Or have I under calculated.  I Figure 18" is safe?

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Posted : 10/13/2021 7:08 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

Germination was beginning of June.  Here is a small recap of where I started.  Didn't think I would of ended up with all this but I seen Dr. Coco array videos and just kept adding lights as they grew....

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This is up until the end of July when my friend took 5 plants and I kept 2.  All still unsexed but the one Skunk Cheese x.  Sometimes I seen balls and then they would just grow up the side stalk, but then a bundle started, also on the Purple Chemdog seedling I kept, so I chopped it, and kept a clone of the female one I gave away.  The only other female was the Trudeau, out of 7 plants!!!

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Posted : 10/13/2021 8:01 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

Here is just after I got the 2nd P600 mid august and wow did they really start looking beautiful.  Too big for the cat to beat up anymore, waiting for the tent...

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Posted : 10/13/2021 8:09 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

Unreal how fast the Purple Chemdog caught up just with pulling the top right down and around.. Now I got the tent and most of the training is done.  Topped the plant on the right (Trudeau) and then bent it over.  I couldn't train it earlier because I broke the stem right in half... 

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I germinated another Zkittles seedling there, but it turns out to be a male, no doubt by the insane straight up growth and massive fan leaves!!! lol  I also switched to flower soon after I got the tent.  Got the organic fish and seaweed a few weeks prior too which helped

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those pics are 9/13 and 9/14.  Inching up by the day now...

9/16 I found balls on the zkittles, it was only 3 weeks old, but it was in flower for 2.

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Posted : 10/13/2021 8:20 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

9/16 later in day

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stretching 9/19

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Posted : 10/13/2021 8:32 pm J2DaG liked
Soil Sheppard
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Completed Grows
From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

I forgot to mention once I got the 2 P600's I switched the lighting to GLT 12-1 and had a hassle free even canopy and not a bad amount of stretching going into 10 hrs on 14 off for flower.  I will go down to 9 this week, and then 8 next week, finishing my last 4 weeks at 8 on and 16 off.  They are doing really well and now that I got +800 avg. PPFD they will have no problem getting max DLI in the 8 hours, and all the time to grow and make resin.

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Posted : 10/13/2021 9:12 pm
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

I transplanted into the 2.5gallon "grow bags" and a nice dose of 75% 3-7-4 and 25% 4-4-4 2 weeks before flower.  And been using aloe and seaweed as soil drench and foliar in end of veg and beginning of flower stretch.  Also fish in between that.  Just did another last top dress of 3-7-4, 2 weeks ago, and added some blue sky organic extras I explained in my intro post.  Humic acid and a group of myco bacterias, cal mag and other treats good for bloom.  I treat my water with neodymium south pole oriented magnets in a setup I made copying one I seen for professional agriculture and hopefully its doing what it says, seems to be working on the roots, is supposed to keep foliage smaller and more productive but a larger root base, equaling more fruit, more root more fruit... 

I am aiming for fully microbial no till organic soil, and will be using this soil in a 1.5x2' perforated bin with cover crop next grow hopefully.... for now I am a microbe farmer, because microbes feed the soil and soil feeds the plant. 

Brix should be good and aloe helps, so the only problem I've had is with overwatering on rainy days and catching fungus gnats, but quickly got them out with Diatomaceous earth food grade, Dr. Dooooom... 

Dr. Coco keeps my lighting better than I could ever ask, and other than that I will just put up the progress pics up until today, which is the first post pics.  I really wanted to journal this grow so this is great, thanks!

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Posted : 10/13/2021 9:40 pm Crispywannabe and KeystoneCops liked
Soil Sheppard
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From broke bag seed to 800 avg. ppfd 4x4
Day: 128
Flip Day: 34

Because of the early training and equal side shoot growth after I am just semi scrogging my own trellis net as needed.  The Purple Chemdog on the left is leaning out on its own and some are falling into each other and the wall... The Trudeau kush on the right seems to be a tank as it was from seed and had a good long veg period from June to sept under the sub par lighting, and I have to pull back a few of the taller ones and open them up.

I didn't lollipop or defolite much on Trudeau as I should but I am thinking of doing a multi harvest and a reveg on both since there is an entire lower canopy on both.  Just got the final MF-2000 for the full coverage at 650w now and hope to see some good results for the last 4-6 weeks.  I finished the final scrog today also I think, so updates and progress should be another surprise again I imagine.

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Posted : 10/13/2021 9:48 pm Crispywannabe and KeystoneCops liked
Soil Sheppard
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Was beginning to have a bad time 2 weeks ago with climate and with the full tent of lights.  The outdoor temps and no heating in my building left me with 75-80% rh at 20c for nights, and 28-30c with 40-50% rh... had a bit of brown tips from heat and adjusting to more wattage, running out of water at different times.. 

Got an IObionics vent kit but only the 4" left (4x4 tent 650w) and some extra 4 and 6" ducting 30ft... so I made an inline fan at the front of my 6" intake duct which made all the difference with the 205 cfm 4" turbo fan.  The 30' lengths help so I can draw in cold and send heat wherever is good.  The Honeywell T900 fans have 185 cfm and will do just about anything but a carbon scrubber.  I hang 2 on my 230w drivers, and 2 inline on my ducts with home made housings from an 8" planter or some cardboard, and duct tape.  I made a box the size of my carbon scrubber as a hepa filter attached to the front of my 6" intake duct to stop pollen and things that stick to the buds...

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That's a 2x2 veg closet the fan is exhausting as last in the chain, as I run it at night opposite the flower tent which I should be running at night in summer.  Keeps it cool with the night exhaust, and warm when the 2 MF-1000 lights are off. 

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I made a decent cardboard shroud that turned out better than I thought first attempt at venting and blacking out the closet door without taking it off or putting holes in it.  The Zkittles was actually germinated during flower, as I only got males all season long and determined to have one for its winter heartiness and fast flowering, large yields.  I will tie it down once i gets used to the transplant with my 2 new organic secret weapons.  It also got an aloe foliar.

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Happy now I got a half decent veg area until I can afford a few more T900's, a dehumidifier and humidifier, and then a veg tent.

For now I got great VPD of 26-29c with  up to 65 to even 75 with just wet towels in the tent and my intake in the bathroom with a full in bath every morning unless it's raining.  And for night humidity spike I went with calcium chloride homemade dehumidifiers I make out of stuff around the house.

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I sourced some decent equipment for when my funds recover from discovering these lights and everything that followed.  Doing my best to get it started properly one needed step at a time without frying the tent.  Had a bad power bar tripping my temp controller and fans also.  More exciting misfit progress surprises to come. 

 

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Posted : 10/23/2021 10:17 pm Crispywannabe liked
Soil Sheppard
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The empty dixie cup is a seedling of a berry time warp mix my friend from BC had me germinate for him.  I call it strawberry couche.  When I lollipopped a few floppy shoots after flower i put them in my own cannabis clone cup competition, where I experimented on all 4 with heavy nutrients.  That little plant is a trudeau clone that stunted really bad and then suffered over watering due to my rushing.  I figure it's better off as a backup for re-vegging trudeau in case stuff happens.  Only had a couple bag seeds over a long time of buying myself medical cannabis, as the breeder is fully organic and a friend of the extended family.

 

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Posted : 10/23/2021 10:34 pm
Soil Sheppard
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Maybe I can enter the Zkittles into the New years contest.  Right now I think I finished adding lights after Dr. MJ Coco's advice on arrays.  I now have this setup which I have raised to 20" now trying to be safe but effective without a par meter.  A far way from following manufacturers guidelines, and then estimating the reflection of the footprint in a size down from the recommended coverage area, and then the addition of having two. 

Now Ive gone and changed it up instead of trying to make 2 long rails like the SP-3000 setup, I have tried this for now out of curiosity and I think it maybe best. 

It's 2 Mf-2000's (217w draw) in the back, and an MF-1000 in the front middle with a P600 on each end of that.  I really should get a par meter, photon app is not much help.  After seeing all the par readings online and Dr. Coco's array and par tests I think this should be safe.

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Finally dialed in my VPD now so hopefully they stay looking decent....

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Posted : 10/26/2021 11:45 am KeystoneCops and J2DaG liked
Soil Sheppard
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I over did it setting up the new lights, fans, ventilation system with ducts and veg closet attached.  Opportunities for lights knocked and they demanded respectful active cooling and heating for night, to beat the humidity spike for flowering.  Temp readings, trial and error, and lights off before I can get a pic!

Lucky I set the veg closet for night to avoid more heat until i put the 730w 4x4 on nights for next grow.  Zkittles germinated Oct 1 and I had it sexed by the 21 or so, re vegged it and transplanted it on the 26th I think, and here it is today vegging over the pistils and looking healthy and starting to get out those side shoots from the two tie downs so far, without topping.  Going to just wrap around as far as I need and bring the top up with the side shoots like I did the last two plants.

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Posted : 10/30/2021 6:26 pm
Soil Sheppard
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I forgot I did a few quick pics on the 23rd, 24th and 26th is the last one I got.  At 7 weeks of flower today.  Tried a sponge foliar on a few leaves at too strong a strength possibly.  I cannot find much about anyone who experiments with foliar sprays or sponging past the 5th week.  I top dressed 5 weeks in, and also added some other things, but I did the hardening wrong and late so hoping they keep up nice now that I got them last minute with lots of potassium.  All water from here on, did some aloe and worm castings with a list of other amendments along side the castings including humic acid and a variety of microbes....

23rd

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